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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Standard Powers |
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Hi everyone I am a PCSO in Birmingham. I was wondering if anyone was aware when standard powers are going to come into play for us? Does anyone know what the standard powers will be? I have heard that the Home Office keep changing their minds on what to give us. I have been told that we will be given these new powers in september but it just seems to have all gone quiet on that front.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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> some info is here <
there is an existing thread on powers above but as to your exact question ..... would be interested to know as well |
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that the Home Office have back tracked on the standard powers probably due to pressure from the Fed, ACPO and CC's apparently this was discussed at a CSO practitioners meeting in Dec the Home Office ommitted to invite the only group who would fight our corner unison. At that meeting changes were made to the initial set of standard powers.
The following have been removed
Power to issue FPN for littering para 1 (2 ) ( ca )
Power to issue PND for throwing fireworks and tresspassing on a railway and throwing stones on a railway
Limited powers to enter lincensed premises
Power to search for alcohol and tabacco
Power to issue PND for sale of alcohol to persons und under 18, purchase of alcohol for persons under 18, delivery of alcohol to persons under 18, drinking in a designated area, consumption of alcohol by person under 18, or allowing such consumption, buying or attemting to buy alcohol by a person under 18 and sells or attempts to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk.
Power to deal with begging
Power to issiue PND for breach of firework curfew, possession by a person under 18 of an adult firework, supply of excessively loud fireworks
Power to detain
Powers added
Power to stop vehicles for testing
Powers to issue FPN for littering para 1(2) (e )
Well that's better |
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| so what date do these standard powers take effect? |
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| we have a meeting later this month about the national changes on my ocu. As far as I am aware the standard powers come into play in september in WMP. Unless anyone else knows otherwise? |
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| The power to detain has been removed from the standard set?? I thought this was the main one all of us were going to get? |
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Our CC has granted us all the PCSO powers in Essex, except one........... the power to use reasonable force. So if a standard set of powers roll in across the UK I wonder if we'll lose some of ours? Like I said we have them all at the moment  _________________
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| JCH wrote: | It appears that the Home Office have back tracked on the standard powers probably due to pressure from the Fed, ACPO and CC's apparently this was discussed at a CSO practitioners meeting in Dec the Home Office ommitted to invite the only group who would fight our corner unison. At that meeting changes were made to the initial set of standard powers.
The following have been removed
Power to issue FPN for littering para 1 (2 ) ( ca )
Power to issue PND for throwing fireworks and tresspassing on a railway and throwing stones on a railway
Limited powers to enter lincensed premises
Power to search for alcohol and tabacco
Power to issue PND for sale of alcohol to persons und under 18, purchase of alcohol for persons under 18, delivery of alcohol to persons under 18, drinking in a designated area, consumption of alcohol by person under 18, or allowing such consumption, buying or attemting to buy alcohol by a person under 18 and sells or attempts to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk.
Power to deal with begging
Power to issiue PND for breach of firework curfew, possession by a person under 18 of an adult firework, supply of excessively loud fireworks
Power to detain
Powers added
Power to stop vehicles for testing
Powers to issue FPN for littering para 1(2) (e )
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BTP have all of these at the moment. Bit silly taking away a PND power for tresspass and stone throwing on the railways from us!.
Equally though there"s not anything we can"t really deal with under the bylaws. _________________ BTP 24/7 on 0800 405040
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Im sure things will change yet again before things are sorted for sure.  _________________ Remember he who dare's wins (only fools and horses)
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| This will not effect forces were the CC has given them to his/her PCSO's, cant see any CC who has designated these powers to their PCSO's removing them. It will only effect the forces were the CC don't want to give their PCSO's certain powers.. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| JCH wrote: | | This will not effect forces were the CC has given them to his/her PCSO's, cant see any CC who has designated these powers to their PCSO's removing them. It will only effect the forces were the CC don't want to give their PCSO's certain powers.. |
So in that case it can only be a 'good thing' for PCSO's who are literally just that visible presence then? _________________
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's ashame they have taken the power to deatin from the standard set of powers |
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| JCH wrote: | | I think it's ashame they have taken the power to deatin from the standard set of powers |
We've got 30 minute power of detention, but no power to physically hold them there. As that would up the anti and then they'd have to give us Cuffs I reckon. That's why the section 'to use reasonable force' has been taken away from this power. Not silly are they........... PPE = more money!!!!!!!!!! Me thinks  _________________
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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If the power to detain has been taken away from the standard set then that means us in WMP will not get stab vests for sure!  |
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| BEZ wrote: | If the power to detain has been taken away from the standard set then that means us in WMP will not get stab vests for sure!  |
Even if you had NO power at all you should still be issued with a Stab Vest. Even just walking around wearing a uniform that says you work for the Police Service carries certain risks......... what is your force like?
I knew you didn't have them in the first instance, but I thought everybody had them now  _________________
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